I'd like to point out that Durron reported the bug, not SCo.

SCo did test whether or not STR etc could be trained by unshifting and casting weaken (STR -5) on himself.

The assumption I'm making is that the trainer code is checking current hp, rather than permanent hp when it's decided whether or not you can continue to train.

Scott.</quote>

Whoops, sorry, I did remember him telling me something about it. Regardless, it seems to be a simple case of it checking stat with all affects on. Scott, could you confirm whether or not this happened for atts as well as hp/mana/move.

SCo did test whether or not STR etc could be trained by unshifting and casting weaken (STR -5) on himself.

The assumption I'm making is that the trainer code is checking current hp, rather than permanent hp when it's decided whether or not you can continue to train.

Scott.

I can make another topic regarding this if you'd like.</quote>

Hey man,. that would be cool since it's a seperate bug, copy and paste is fine.

I won't discuss my ideas on fixing it the interest of not derailing this post 8)

Not to derail the thread, but this fights in with the topic...

I seem to recall that Humans had a +3 for all STATS (hp/mana/move are VITALS) from classes instead of the +2 that other races got. Well, when you took that out, Humans lost the only thing they had. I was informed that this was put back, is that true? On a side note, before they were even taken away, Avatars couldn't do the +3, but instead could only go +2. I'm guessing by the fact that Xev could train his stats +1 over his limits, something of this still exists.

If humans and avatars are meant to have that, why not just raise their max racial stats +1 and not have that? Something better can be done than just "+1" on stats given the fact that 25 is no longer the cap, +1 added to something like 20 doesn't have the same luster.

I can make another topic regarding this if you'd like.

Which set of stats? str? or hp?</quote>

SCo tested it and says it only applies to hp/mana/move.