Mino/Titan/Vam = STR

Slayer/Drow = DEX

Humans = All stats should be maxxed at 25

Dwarf/Sith/Dracon = CON

Elf = INT

Lich = WIS

Remorted vampires, fiends, should gain an increased strength stat-cap, above 25, …</quote>

hmm.. I think this sounds like a bit much of an advantage. Vamp/Fiend already has a ton going for it.

Okay, so back on-topic… Umm... How bout them vamps?</quote>

I've heard they drink blood…

And for the record, I don't hate you, but I think you are kind of cruel to people.

Okay, so back on-topic… Umm... How bout them vamps?

Thats the problem u listen to whatever else saying but you dont know me… you listen to the ppl that dont like me because i fight against them, u think they will say anything good about me? :lol:

Ataraxia avg dam 350

350 * 1.5 (for pk) = 525

525 * 2 (titan vs evil) = 1050

1050 *1.25 (holy damage) = 1312.5

1312.5 * 1.25 (fire damage)= 1640.625

1640.625 * 7 (possible hits for a Titan) = 11,484.375

Ok, not quit 14K, but that was done in my head. And that is with average hits.

Half that for sanc = 5742.1875

That is still 1000+ more hp than I have as a maxxed Fully equipped 120 remorted Fiend.

Now remove the 1.5 for pk.

350 * 2 (titan vs evil) = 700

700 * 1.25 (holy damage) = 875

875 * 1.25 (fire damage) = 1093.75

1093.75 * 7 (possible hits for a titan) = 7656.25

7656.25 / 2 (for sanc) = 3828.125

Still an outrageous amount. But Survivable for more than one round.

Even adjusting and saying only half your attacks land.

That is almost 2900hp per round with the pk bonus. And just over 1900 without. With the bonus that is 2 rounds and out for the vamp. Now if this happens to be taking place outside 'tween 6am and 4pm game time, add another 150 damage from the Sun per tick.

Those numbers and the huge difference between Pk bonus as is now and what it was before should be enough to point out that the pk change "staked" Vamps but good. Especially vs Titans.

And since PK fights that arent titan vs vamp are still lasting 15minutes. And even I have managed to last almost 10 (granted before he was able to use an Ataraxia again). The stated reason for the change. That being to shorten pk fights. Hasnt happened.

Removing the alignment based damage modifiers would at least put everyone on a semi level field as far as damage goes, a step in the right direction.

I also agree with Spunky how there's not very much wrong with Vampire/Fiend, however the damage from certain things is a bit much, imo. I think if you're going to change too much about vampire (for the good, as in more skills/less vulns, along those lines) then Shift will need to be toned down. It seems a bit Nazi MM'ish, but maybe having shift be only during the night, with older vampires having a larger span of time, eventually getting it for a long time, maybe 18 hours out of a 24 hour day, 9 o'clock AM to 5 o'clock PM being the "middle" of the day and hence them not being able to shift during that time. Something along those lines.

Feel free to ream me about this issue, as I don't care very much. :) Just an idea.

oh and sorry bout the mount thing pecus, i just get really bored at times :P</quote>

No Problem, just been j/k with you

Arkain, you don't use Sanc.? If you do, what's all the BS about taking so much damage?

Another thing I forgot- Vamps resist magic. That's yet another thing to balance out that sundamage.</quote>

Balance out sundamage? are you high? they get shift all the time… thats the best skill by far in the game... they need alot of vulns... id take vul to sunlight and be able to shift anyday, titans take 900 damage to lightning bolt without sanc... tahts more the sunlight anyday

..a circle taking me from 2673 hp to 749 …</quote>

Jebus that's absurd.

Keep in mind that i had sanc on during this beatdown session..

SpuNK! <2673hp 5001sp 3297mv 173

Someone's holy fire devastates you.

Someone's holy fire MUTILATES you!

With amazing agility you swerve someone's attack.

You parry someone's attack.

You parry someone's attack.

You nimbly backflip away from someone's attack.

Your slash mauls someone.

Your slash mauls someone.

Your slash mauls someone.

Someone dodges your attack.

Your pierce devastates someone.

SpuNK! <2673hp 5001sp 3297mv 173

Someone circles around behind you.

Someone's circle MANGLES you!

SpuNK! <746hp 5001sp 3296mv 173

Someone's holy fire *** DEMOLISHES *** you!

You sure are BLEEDING!

You stumble around blindly!

Despite your attempts to move, the webs hold you in place.

PANIC! You couldn't escape!

You parry someone's attack.

Someone's holy fire does UNSPEAKABLE things to you!

You sure are BLEEDING!

You stumble around blindly!

Despite your attempts to move, the webs hold you in place.

PANIC! You couldn't escape!

You parry someone's attack.

You nimbly backflip away from someone's attack.

With amazing agility you swerve someone's attack.

Your slash mauls someone.

Your slash decimates someone.

Someone parries your attack.

Someone nimbly backflips away from your attack.

Someone parries your attack.

I was silence/blind at the time but ill guarantee you that's arkain.

Anyway, you all know im not a whiner...USUALLY..but as you can see ..a circle taking me from 2673 hp to 749 is a biiiit much. With that kind of damage added to silence=not being able to heal, i, nor anyone who has a holy vuln stands a chance in hell.

Just plan around it. Hang around in a dungeon or something during the daytime, and creep around at night. Not too hard to do really.

That's what I think anyway. If you can't tolerate the sun damage, then stay indoors or don't be a vampire.