The Unabridged Discourse on Racial Comparison
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I think this has been said before, but i to say elves really don't get much in the grand scheme of things.
Highest stats - by 120 remort (or mort) everyone has 25's in all stats or close to it
High mana but low hp - in PK right now you never run out of mana, it is all about damage
Resist magic - currently only lowers damage on attack spells, nobody uses attack spells cause damage is so low to begin with
Racial haste - enough good eq with haste on it to make this useless
Also, when you remort and become a seraph you gain absolutely nothing new.
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Avatars(why does everyone hate this name?) should gain some resistance skills, like resist necromancy, resist holy, resist insert element(Some more could be added as well) I think the reason they should gain this is the only thing the human race has going for it is that it can adapt and fit into its surroundings better then anything else. Once remorted, humans can adapt on a much smaller scale, and much more quickly.
Spectres should gain an ability that would allow them to brush an opponent that they had just swerved past with their tainted wings, affecting that opponent with various (perhaps random) status ailments.
Sith need something done about their vulns, but I don't have a solution to that problem yet. They should, however, gain a bonus chance to hit an opponent with their bite if they are sneaking and/or hiding. Nagas should gain the ability to constrict an opponent, which would lessen their defenses, but they would be able to use their bite much more effectively. I suggest that it take 2(small races) to 3(large races) rounds to gain a full constrict against an opponent, with chances to break the hold each round. Note that a 20 foot anaconda can squeese with about 28 psi, enough to kill a human in minutes. This attack should do frightining damage, like circle. Hmm, to balance it out after the 1st round of the constrict, they cannot attack and their defenses wouldn't activate. They could only release the hold as an action, since they are using so much of their strength.
Pravus attempts to constrict Alatarr.
His serpentine coils surround Alatarr's legs.
Alatarr attempts to free himself!
Pravus entwines his body around Alatarr and begins to squeese!
Squeese…
Squeese...
Alatar gets an arm free!
Squeese...
Alatar falls unconcious.
Squeese...
Pravus uncoils himself and proceeds to consume Alatarr's mangled body...
How about a new bard song that would affect Sith! Perhaps it would function like a geas affect, and require the affected sith to follow the caster around and fight for them for the durration. Skill and level could determine how powerful a sith you could charm with your song. I think it would be cool if the snake-charmed sith could be enhanced with further castings, due to the meditative trance the song would compel...
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Avatar is just blah. Look up Avatar and see the descriptions on Yahoo. I was toying with Ascendant(s) a state or position of dominant power or importance. It sounds much better in m opinion.
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Elves…
Iron is their only vuln, and how many weapons are actually made of iron on the game? From the opinions I've gathered it doesn't do a lot anyway. They need a real vuln... After all they get highest stats in the game... and they barely have less mana than lich, yet have both more mv AND hp. I'll grant you they get no immunities, but still. Resisting magic is pretty big-- if that works, Even if not there should be something decently exploitable to counter the giant stats. As far as a vuln goes... No idea really. Something involving darkness or anti-tree or something like that...
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They get the second highest stats in the game.
Lich has first.
The have second lowest hp, to counter this. Mana doesn't do much if you can't get the hp to survive. You should know this as a Lich and those horrendous vulns, which I have suggested be changed for the better rather than worse.
Magic resistance only works against weapons, which is almost all weapon, at the moment, due to a "feature" of the game as it stands. That will be fixed in the update. And since we have no idea how useful this will be, how can anyone say that it needs to be exploited? Their only other advantage is natural haste, which we do not get the extra dex bonus.
Before you want to go Elf hunting because you are ticked at someone let's find out how things will work in the future update and then balance that against humans before even bothering suggesting things that don't need to be.
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<quote author="Ithilidin">
@Ithilidin:Before you want to go Elf hunting because you are ticked at someone let's find out how things will work in the future update and then balance that against humans before even bothering suggesting things that don't need to be.</quote>
That was seriously uncalled for. I'm just stating I don't believe their one vuln is very exploitable.
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Uncalled for? I do not think so. Worded strongly, perhaps. You singled out one race to be "exploited." What about dwarves with their useless vulnerability and many decent resistances? Dracons and their underutilized vulnerablity? Or, to even lesser extents, the uncommon vulnerabilities of slayers, which is found on two weapons and one spell, or titans, which is found on one weapon, that no longer is available to players, and two spells. Evil players and the lich race are well represented in the game. All of this has been addressed in the misbalance thread at some point or another.
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Meh, just mentioning that one atm… Came to me while looking at helpfiles
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<quote author="Ithilidin">
@Ithilidin:Uncalled for? I do not think so. Worded strongly, perhaps. You singled out one race to be "exploited." What about dwarves with their useless vulnerability and many decent resistances? Dracons and their underutilized vulnerablity? Or, to even lesser extents, the uncommon vulnerabilities of slayers, which is found on two weapons and one spell, or titans, which is found on one weapon, that no longer is available to players, and two spells. Evil players and the lich race are well represented in the game. All of this has been addressed in the misbalance thread at some point or another.</quote>
Actually theres 3 negative weapons, one 117 , two 120s. And the 120 weapons do over 400 damage. If you can find something that does higher to any other race feel free to let me know. And I believe you have curse of the abyss.
And while I am bitching, something beyond ironic is the fact that almost every undead mob in the game does negative damage.
The slayer is the ultimate of holy warriors; it is
a special sect that wishes to seek out the undead and
put an end to their measly existence. Years of training
under the parish and with clerical assistance the Slayer
develops a technique of damaging the undead beyond repair.
Slayers have for centuries despised vampires as the most
lowly undead creatures.
If you guys want to be useful how about coming up with a vulnerability that makes sense for slayers.
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350 ave damage, last I remember, two-handed, which I hope that the idea of weapon speed and accuracy are considered and implemented, so that won't be as much of a bother in the future. You are screwed against a titan at the moment. And I am trying to get energy drain removed from curse of the abyss, if you remember right. Actually, I am trying to get rid of all spells from bards.
I know all about the now. It is the the future I want to see fixed.
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Actually the best weapon does 15d49 (375 life drain.) with natural hr 5 dr 5.
About 469 per hit.
Im all for removing bard spells, but to be frank thats a serious change and will require some serious creativity to come up with songs that are interesting, and hopefully some better song names :P
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Object 'sword staugaard' is type weapon, extra flags glow magic anti-evil kept.
Weight is 10, value is 120000, level is 120.
Fragility is Normal, condition is 100%. It has been repaired 0/5 times.
It is made out of unknown.
Weapon type is sword with attack type slash.
Damage is 15d49 (average 375).
Weapons flags: two-handed
life drain? where?
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:twisted:
I had to say that PK fights do last too short compared to olden days. Olden days rocked.. and WERE a test of mana and skill strategy. Please think about this.. and change the game issues to make PK last longer and RELY more on strat.. not just mana/weapons/brute strength.
I know i'm going "back in time" here, but this issue really needs to be
stressed.
-Peace
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For being old school you dont know everything myth. Thats not the weapon and im sure not telling. :)
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